Well I think this whole podcast is proof of accountability, not just this episode the fact that we are doing it. I think we mutually held each other accountable to a project that we all wanted to do that started from intuit ideas to something real.
00:41 Nanci: I would like to like to just talked about quick wins, cause I’ve got two quick wins that I want to share. It has been three weeks, we have been super busy which was great because we had pre-recorded like five or six episode, and so that was a great podcasting business decision on our part. Two wins that I had was give a speech at Wework, so it was two 40 women #LadyInvestors, investing club of women, over a hundred members now #LadyInvestorsMontrealMeetUp if anyone is interested. They meet once a month, and this particular one meeting was being held at Wework and it’s a paradise. I was at a different coworking space, and it was fine, and it was one big room with some nice desk and kitchen on the side. I walk in, and it was like a huge party, and there was like this desk and these people behind the desk and I actually thought that it was for me because I was speaking and I was like ‘Hi I’m the speaker, ‘ and she looked at me like ahh and it was actually charity water event and had nothing to do with me and then when they came to get me to take me to the area that I was speaking. It went on and on; it’s like an entire floor. It felt like a square kilometer. We talked about at the beginning of when we were seething this idea, sponsorship. We said we’re not going to do sponsorship until it makes sense because our purpose of podcasting was to learn about podcasting, to do and create a project and to share all this incredible knowledge but I was thinking because we are going to run into a problem now. We are recording back and forth our houses and offices. I don’t know bout your house, but we’re in an upstairs second-floor office and summer is coming, and we can’t run the air-conditioner, or our sound editor will quit, and this is going to turn into a sauna, our MacBook Pro are going to get mold on them if we podcast in here.
03:01 Julian: A hot yoga version of podcasting?
03:06 Nanci: I was thinking, just throwing it out there what if we had our downloads. I don’t know if you know, if you check, we are over six hundred downloads which are more than I expected it would be. I am not shorting us but six hundred downloads in ten weeks, I think that’s pretty good. And what if we got those up to like, I don’t know what is the acceptable number is a thousand an episode or something like that, and we traded with Wework like two half days a month in return for sponsorship. So we would say like “were here in the Wework offices, they are so amazing like we’d give them a plug and we would continue with our podcast in a sound proof, quiet and climate controlled room because you have no idea what’s coming. This is 45 degrees in here, and humidity is off the charts.
03:54 Julian: So this year, it’s new ice age. It’s not made, and it is still cold, it might snow today, so I don’t think we have to worry, but I’m with you in theory. I like the idea.
04:03 Nanci: I just thought, it sound like a cliche but its win win. What better place to sponsor than Wework? It’s like a coworking space for the gig economy.
04:15 Julian: It fits our thesis.
04:16 \Nanci: And another thing I was thinking of if it took off if the Wework people are cool. When they hear this, they actually could be writing us season decease letter like stop talking about us. We don’t know who you are, stop stalking us. They co-sponsored Midas, we could have like slashpodcast event at Wework.
04:37 Julian: That’s one of my ideas, I want us to talk to.
04:39 Nanci: I know, I stole your idea. Not only do I speak for you but then I steal the ideas back.
04:42 Julian: I think we shared the idea and you’ve put words on to it, but yes, I think we should start a meetup.
04:47 Nanci: Yes, and if we advertise the meet up as being at Wework and plug Wework. Anyway, I think on the whole knew marketing, probably people have been doing that for a long time, but I think it would be great so let’s table that.
05:00 Julian: Let’s start doing meet up. We’d just agree, are we? Once a month slashpodcast meetup, bringing people together from the gig economy give them a place to go, interact with each other; connect with each other, network with each other.
05:12 Nanci: This episode is going out in ten days. You know this works because I keep forgetting that all of Montreal is revolves around you and I am not flattering Julian, this is true. If everyone that I know, knows Julian, somehow. My kid’s piano teacher spent New Year’s Eve with you at a party looking at pictures; it is totally random. My friend Lance, after we met and started talking about the podcast, I went on Facebook and your flying drones with Lance. On that note, yes, we could do a meet up because you could just invite everybody that you know.
05:55 Julian: It is a way for us to meet our audience. You know, everybody is interested in what we were saying, and I think it’s like eating your dog food. We were talking about working together, collaborations that freelancers can help each other sometimes they hire each other, sometimes they create a project that they need to bring other people in on to achieve. You need places to meet people. There are meet ups for everything. As a photographer, I cover a meetup, monthly meet up for product tank and it brings together product managers, and there’s usually three presentations from three different companies. We can do something for freelancers and open it up a little bit.
06:33 Nanci: We could do one, and then we could see how it went. Start small, get fancy later. My second win was I finished the three-part “How to launch a website in under 60-minute” slashpodcast tutorial. I have to say its a good one, anyone that hasn’t check it out yet and wants to learn how to launch a website for yourself or for someone you know and love slashpodcast.com/web-series and it was, I’m going to say it was a lot of work. It was a labor of love. I’m super proud of it. I think it’s a great tutorial and it can be a huge resource for slashpodcast listeners, it’s free. Please go and check it out. Did you have any wins, Julian?
07:29 Julian: I’ve written this book as you know Gigonomics. It’s a big accomplishment, and I’m happy that it’s done but now I realize there’s a whole new project that has to start which is getting the book out there and I started looking into avenues for publishing. Should I look for the traditional publisher or do it myself through Amazon. I kind of feel like, the message is I should do it myself because that’s part of what I’m talking about in the book but part of me would love the cache, the benefit, the witch of a traditional publishing house but it’s daunting, and I know nothing, like I literary complete novice. I did the whole book, and now I’m like ‘now what.’ I’m saving it on a Dropbox, and few people have read it, but I like it to be read by people. Part of the project of getting a book done is you have to write up, and then you have to get the book out there, and that is my challenge right now.
08:35 Nanci: Two things, I knew you were kidding, but I am sorry because I have meant to read it and I am looking forward to reading it because I’ve read a draft over Christmas and it is fantastic. My advice would be to publish it yourself on create space on Amazon with the skills that we have with Meredith and all the technology that is out there it seems like a no brainier to me to do it and get it out there and then there have been situations where the book does so well on its own. A traditional publisher will swoop in at that point to get involve and take it to the next level.
09:06 Julian: Yes, I think your right. I think that is what I’m going to do, that’s my next project basically to tackle the get it out there, get it publish properly through create space.
09:16 Nanci: I don’t want to say it’s easy.
09:19 Jullian: There are few books out there already on Amazon. Every time I see a new book that’s the same theme, it makes my stomach sink a bit, it gets me excited, and it also gets me nervous because I am like ‘how long is it going to take from my book to get out there? Am I going to miss the wave? Is there even a wave?’ I think we are on to something but I think to speed I important, and I have to execute now.
09:41 Nanci: I feel the same way when I see financial bloggers but people having been investing for a hundred years and everything you read is if there is competition there is a market. So the more competition, I mean look at us? We’ve started a podcast on freelancing and entrepreneurship and that’s been going on for ten years and not to short us but Gary Vaynerchuk does it better than us and Seth Godin does it better than us but what we are bringing to it are our story and our experience and our voice, and I think that counts for something.
10:19 Julian: You know what, I agree, and that’s it I am going to do it myself. I think it’s important. I actually think I have been holding myself back a bit or I’ve been reluctant to accept to because here I am writing a book about freelancing and taking charge of my life. Yet part of me wants to have the endorsement of a publisher and have someone else take care of all that and you know what, that’s it, I’m a chicken. I am hiding and thank you, Nanci, for calling me out, and that’s it we are starting a meetup and I’m self-launching my book on Amazon and Nanci is going to help me.
10:54 Nanci: And what a fantastic unplanned segue but today’s episode is actually on accountability partners. What do you know?
11:03 Julian: Nanci, can I ask you to be my accountability coach? And make sure that I get the book out there on Amazon within the next month? Is that crazy?
11:12 Nanci: Here is the thing I am going to accept that challenge because I’m so envious that you have written a book, that I am going to live vicariously through you in the publishing process.
11:23 Julian: If this book ever has any success, I can tell you one thing it’s because of the title all that Nanci came up with.
11:28 Nanci: “Gigonomics” I will say that was a big win for me in the last decade and I’d like to say it just pop into my brain, and it did, and I told I said giganomics, and you were like ‘Oh, that’s so cool.’
11:43 Julian: Because I had a different title and you were like ‘I don’t like that title.’ My first title was ‘Getting giggy with it.’ I like Will Smith, but that was a working title.
11:55 Nanci: At that meeting we googled it, and it was a word. It’s not in the real dictionary, but it’s in the urban dictionary. Maybe I’d heard it before, but I’ll take some credit for it anyway.
12:06 Julian: You, it’s like a capstone without that everything else would have fallen apart. It help me focus on writing better, I think, it helps me finish the book. I’m not just saying that having that one word puts some wind in my cells.
12:21 Nanci: I will say in all seriousness that thanks to you I appreciate that but if you hadn’t started the process and kept going at it constantly over and over again we kept for week we wouldn’t have been open to these conversations to get this advice or have the next step you revealed to. You put the time in is my point.
12:41 Julian: You’re going to walk the walk. All right, that’s it, so I’ve got an accountability coach, who is someone that’s going to not let me off the hook even when I make excuses and want to hide.
12:52 Nanci: You have no idea the hell that your life will be for the next four weeks.
12:56 Julian: I’m nervous that one month isn’t enough time, but maybe it’s enough, or maybe it doesn’t.
13:00 Nanci: The first thing I’m going to do is read the book, and then your life is changed.
13:05 Julian: I need to get that thing out there. You can download, you can Amazon download. Just completely guessing, is one month enough time were going to find out.
13:16 Nanci: We’re going to give a deal to college try. I do think it will be a great podcast episode to do the run through of where we started with this conversation and the steps we took to page nation. Yes, that’s the thing it’s the layout of the book, page nation, the self-publishing, the cover art like the experience that you had going through it with me as for as your accountability coach. Okay, accountability is the topic of this podcast, and you have any initial thoughts, Julian?
13:45 Julian: Well last night, at 7:54 PM when I sat down to write my notes for this podcast I felt like I was living the meaning of accountability. As we’ve been discussing, it’s been a busy couple of weeks for the both of us not that it’s an excuse, but this is a classic case of what happens, what gets in the way of you getting in the way of yourself or what gets in away of your projects.
14:06 Nanci: Sometimes you’re not hiding, sometimes your busy.
14:09 Julian: You know if you let that be an excuse then you let things go, and we are committed to each other in this podcast then we have an episode plan that we lay it out after meeting couple weeks ago, and the next one on our list was accountability. We were supposed to meet on Friday, its Monday today so I already whistled out of the Friday meeting my notes were due, and I started writing last night. So, I feel like this is accountability because if it weren’t for Nanci, knowing that I had to deliver something not just to her but you the audience, and for myself I probably would have pushed it to another couple of days. I would have wanted more time because there is always more time that you can use to make things better, being held accountable for each other.
14:48 Nanci: I think it’s also important to have some self-compassion for ourselves because I started writing my notes this morning. So I have been thinking about this episode or my whole life, but I just started. This is my episode. This is like a quite personal to me the whole accountability. I just want to give some context, Gretchen Rubin wrote a book couple of years ago called ‘Better than before’ I heard her interviewed on the James Altucher podcast I’ll put a link in the show notes. She was saying that when you’re talking about habits whether you want to get up earlier, exercise more, quit smoking people are always you advice Oh! You just need quit cold turkey, Oh! You just need to do it step by step until she wanted to do some research and find out sort what’s true and what’s not. She was quite surprised by the results and that it’s different for everybody. I think she even said in hindsight it’s not that surprising. We had never really thought about, there is no one-way to create or break a habit. So she came up with four sorts of personas, two are out liars that are somewhat rare that on one hand, you have the upholders, and they just respond readily to any expectation, an outer expectation or an inner expectation they just do it. They decided they are going to quit smoking and the next day they don’t smoke. They decided they are not going to eat carbs anymore and they stop eating carbs. Anyway, society needs all kinds of people so it’s good that we have those. The other side is the rebels, and they resist all expectations they are like teenagers. You want them to do something they decide they’re not going to eat any more carbs and they get up in the morning and have toast just to be rebellious. Those are both out liars more in the mainstream let’s just say 40 percent each just for simplicity, our questioners. So questioners are good with meeting expectations in inner and out but they want to know why not so much questioning authority but they need to know why they are doing what they are doing and then they will meet the expectation. The last one which is me and many people, they are called obligers, and they have no problem meeting outer expectations but they struggle, I would say almost to a fault to meet expectations that they impose on themselves. I can only speak for myself, and I don’t know what the answer is I do know that I will never miss a client deadline. I will stay up to midnight, I will stay up all night, I will go above and beyond to do client work, and my clients respect that, and I get referrals. So I have a great relationship with my clients regarding reliability.
17:23 Julian: That’s very interesting you said that it gives me an idea.
17:25 Nanci: I let myself down over and over again, and I don’t know why. I don’t trust myself.
17:32 Julian: Why don’t you consider yourself your first client?
17:35 Nanci: I don’t know Julian. Who are you? I quit as you accountability coach. I’m a rebel, no I’m out. This podcast is over. Haha
17:49 Julian: Oblige, listen it’s like the idea of the payer is off first, everybody knows that as a financial advisor you know all about that if you want to save money, the first thing you are going to do is put money in your bank account right? So I picked that idea, and I applied to not just finance but doing my work so in my case, and I am sure it is same with you I want to put out let’s say a blog post once a week from my blog. I put it on my calendar, and I treat that as a client engagement. I will do that first if I have a schedule on Friday morning. You never have some client work due if it’s not super pressingly urgent which you know photography can be urgent but it’s never a matter of life and death. I will do that first, and it’s because I have given the same work ethic to my work as I would give to a client work and I think if you were able to do it for clients you were able to do it for yourself.
18:33 Nanci: That’s not true.
18:35 Julian: It is true. You can do. You may not mentally make the switch, but what if you said to yourself my client number one, I have twelve clients one of those clients is Nanci Murdock.
18:43 Nanci: I understand what you are saying, I hear it, but I’m just telling you that my brain doesn’t work that way. I’m getting better, so one of the reasons I wanted to talked about accountability was, and I think I wanted to talk accountability and I didn’t suggest it to you because you don’t strike me as someone that needs an accountability coach although you just ask me so, anyway maybe I was wrong. But I thought he is not going to want to talk about accountability because he’s going to think that people who need accountability coaches are weak. So why would I suggest that to him and then when we were meeting over roti and the hottest sauce I can imagine you said how about accountability and I was super happy about that, so we made it, the next episode.
19:20 Julian: Well I think this whole podcast is proof of accountability, not just this episode the fact that we are doing it. I think we mutually held each other accountable to a project that we all wanted to do that started from intuit ideas to something real.
19:32 Nanci: I would not have accomplished eleven episodes without you that’s for sure.
19:36 Julian: I think accountability makes you stronger, not weaker.
19:39 Nanci: This is again, were talking about that’s my if I have a self-limiting belief that I’m weak because I need and accountability coach then I would project that on people around me, so I apologized. Stick for you steal you ideas and project on to you. The abuse that you take from me Julian. So my point was, I’m speaking today to the obligers because the questioners they just want answers to the questions. If you are having trouble having a questioner get the work done just answer, their questions and they are going to do it that is simplicity, but that is fine. The rebel is never going to do it I mean I don’t know what to say it’s a psychological imbalance or something the rebels. We are not talking to the rebels today. The upholders they don’t need us they are already busy doing the work so today I’m speaking to the obligers who may have a pattern like I do of being able to meet external obligations. I was never more successful than I want when I was in a job. I want to impress my boss or get his approval or whatever but I get the work done, and I am paid for that financially and emotionally, and then I come on my own, and I’m struggling. I feel like I’m treading water. I think there is a difference between not knowing what to do then you can learn. But it’s so frustrating knowing what you need to do and not doing it and whether that’s what we were talking about here which is the busyness like there’s legitimately a reason that you are not doing it or hiding. You know I have a fear of feeling uncomfortable, so I don’t publish as many blog post of whatever I don’t put my work out there as much cause its uncomfortable to me to do that. Any of the numerous reasons that we don’t do what we need to do. So what happened was I was struggling, and I was talking to Geeta Nadkarni of babygotbooked.com, and she had this fantastic VA named Juniper, and she said oh you know I’m only using Juniper for 10 or 20 hours a week whatever it is, you should ask if she wants to do work for you. That was great Juniper was super competent. I knew how much she had done with Geeta. So we meet it was at Bistro B and Bernard here in Montreal and the table cloths are paper so she was taking notes on the table cloth and I talked to her about 45 minutes on the work that I needed her to do for me. At the end of it, she said ‘you don’t need an assistant you need an accountability coach’. For four seconds I was taken a back like ‘ah excuse me?’ and then I realize it wasn’t even a millisecond, she’s right I need someone to just make sure to get the shit done and so I hire her. She charge me a higher rate but I did not see her as much as she would be doing an assistant. We agreed on every two weeks for three hours. It was roughly how it went. The first hour, we would review the last two weeks. What I had to accomplish, what I hadn’t accomplished, any struggles that I had we cleared that deck and the middle hour we looked at where I was at and if there was something that I was struggling with like a web page or a copy or a blog post, we would do it. We would just do it together so that it was done. She’d get a pen and be like sit down what do you want to say? The sales copy for zerotoportfolio.com was completed. I had procrastinated for weeks on it and in one hour, we wrote it together and it was done and it was this huge weight off my shoulders and then the next hour was planning the task for the next two weeks until I saw her again. I saw her for 4 to 6 months and it completely transform my business. I finally finished my online course, the sales page, my business and I feel like me, myself was at a completely different place and time from before and after I saw her in the 4 months and in terms of an investment you know I think I paid her 30 dollars an hour, so it was like a 180 dollars a month. So for 180 dollars a month I got that kick in the pants. What goes into like a good accountability partner and the one thing I’ll say about Jun is she was really like sort of tough love. She wasn’t going to take any bullshit, if I was hiding she was going to say your hiding, and I call you out on that but if the kids were sick, or there wasn’t she would have self-compassion like she’s like well it’s perfectly reasonable that you couldn’t have accomplished that because XYZ. So I just felt she was very realistic about what could be done. I would say like okay I was trying to impress her well, in the next two weeks I’m going to write five blog post and she’s like you’re not going to do that stop setting yourself up for failure, why don’t you try to write two blog post and record one module. For me, it was game changer. You don’t always have to pay the accountability coach obviously, you could set yourself up with a friend like I don’t pay you Julian but probably should. You are not going to pay me, okay so there you go. Julian and I did not train, money does not change that because this works. We both have the same goal, and we want to get to the same place and whatever.
24:34 Julian: Find somebody who has goal alignment with in terms of your projects. Even though you are not working on the same if sure you are working towards some of the goals you could be partners.
24:45 Nanci: I think it depends on the personality because I was reading a thread on Facebook about accountability and someone said it would be good to have a partner that’s not in the same industry, so you didn’t feel competitive. If you were both trying to launch blogs on nutrition maybe, it would be nice not to have someone in the same field, so if one person was successful they didn’t feel guilty that they were. You don’t want to feel like you’re competing with your accountability partner. So where do you get accountability well, I mean sorry I don’t know if I could I would tell you. Where do you find an accountability partner or a coach Julian? I would suggest looking, I mean there’s some pretty great Facebook groups, I’m in this group called women winning online and it’s pretty supportive, and I notice that there are people reaching out and finding accountability partners there. Those are people that are starting blogs, so how about our meet up. We are having a meetup. So if you went to, I’m going to say meet up again, how many times can I say meet up. If you went to a meetup and if you’re a freelancer and in your industry. Meetup.com is amazing for this things, and you show up at a couple of events, who knows at the very least you could get and accountability partner. If you do want to spend some money on a professional, there is some l don’t want to say like life coach because that’s so broad now, but I think there’s a lot sort of business coaches that will do accountability type work.
26:10 Julian: I think there are websites where you can quit smoking for example, and you commit. There is a positive reinforcement aspect to accountability, and there is negative reinforcement where you are penalized if you fail to meet your personal objectives, right? I don’t know the name of the website. We will look it up but I think it’s for quitting a bad habit where you set a goal for yourself and If you fail to meet whatever your goal is like cutting down on cigarettes from 10 to 3 a day to 1 a day. You pay money or you have to donate money to a charity that you don’t support, there is some way of publicly acknowledging and that stigma of publicly acknowledging failures supposed to encourage you.
26:55 Nanci: It’s whether you are like a characteristic person if the stick works better for you then you can find ways to punish yourself for not meeting your goal, and yes I can see that that could work for me be a one-time thing. One of the things I like about working with Jun is that as if there was a structure. It wasn’t like well let’s see when were free next month it was every two weeks at a certain time which was the accountability part, but it was also the structure part that I need to sort of organized my workload. Yes, it’s constraint.
27:23 Julian: I guess the other idea of the public accountability, I mean let’s take a very basic level not spending any money, you’re working alone, you live in a small town, there is enough chance for you to go to a meetup or you could start one. Join Facebook, you have more than one friend on Facebook post your goal, I am going to publish this book in the next month, and you hold be accountable, and there will be people out there that will hold you accountable. The fear of public shame can be a motivating force.
27:56 Nanci: Might I suggest that’s not a spouse because I cannot tell you how many times my husband has offered to be my accountability coach for free. No, thank you. So, I think that the point that I wanted to make was if you are struggling in completing a goal or a project or organizing your workflow, think about accountability and think about whether you pay someone, or you trade off with another one but what I also like about paying Jun was its all about me. The whole time like we were in the middle, it’s like a sort of in the weeds with my project, I wasn’t consciously thinking okay what keep it together because it’s going to be about her in the next hour. The whole three hours was about me because I bought that time. It’s not that I’m against trading and going back and forth, but I was struggling so much at that period in my business that I did need to buy that time and have it be about me, no sharing.
28:50 Julian: And I think another aspect of accountability, I mean accountability is another word for taking responsibility. So you’re taking responsibility for yourself, for your ambition, for your projects and your going to hold yourself accountable to that responsibility. I think that builds trust and builds credibility as a freelancer. That is your track and trade if you are not a trusted source you do not have a business, you do not have clients because it’s very difficult to win but once you have got it, it’s really the gold of your business because if you’re a trusted supplier you become the default option. When you clients stop choosing because they have already checked the box. You are it. You have got a lifetime client or as long as, nothing lasts forever, but you have got a repeat business. You’ve got something that’s going to turn into revenue for you, and you can’t get there if you’re not accountable. You know as you said the first accountability is to yourself and that leads to being accountable to clients.
30:03 Nanci: Yes, I completely agree and for I’m still working. I’m a work in progress in building a reputation. It’s so hard for me to say this, I’m still working on building a reputation for myself. I don’t trust myself, I mean it’s not like I don’t trust myself, of course, I trust myself but in things that are really important to me, I know I’ve mentioned cutting carbs a few times there are times when I’m like really? Nanci this was important to you. You set a plan, and here you are eating macaroni.
30:37 Julian: You also have to set realistic goals. I mean part of being accountable is also recognizing.
30:42 Nanci: I do set my bar too high. If you set your bar too high and you don’t achieve it, you are like ah what the hell, might as well have some fettuccine with the macaroni. No, I mean if I say in a week that I’m going to write five blog posts and record two modules and meet you or something like that and then I miss out. On Wednesday, I’ll be like screw it all ill start again fresh next Monday, and that is so self-defeating. It is, and with accountability coach that would not happen, I cannot hide, I cannot say ah well I’ll start fresh next week. You were completely responsible to them and therefore to yourself.
31:20 Julian: I mean I was going into the whole idea of a workout partner as an example.
31:24 Nanci: I just want to talk about macaroni in one.
31:26 Julian: I love macaroni. My favorite meal of all time is J. Kenji Lopez-Alt’s he writes blogs serious foods or serious eats and his got a book called the food lab and his recipe for macaroni and cheese is hands down the world’s best macaroni. But I was going to say having a workout partner is a way to turn a train and practice accountability. If you are struggling to get into shape or you want to start working out and you find it difficult to motivate yourself. There are two things you can do you can join a class. Class is kind of the general accountability you’re going to show up for the class, but there is nobody, in particular, that’s going to drive you there or join up with somebody, and you each have to agree and you’re going to meet one day 11 and they need you there. You need to be needed. I think that’s accountability when you recognized that your end of the bargain is necessary you’re going to feel bad about letting that person down.
32:35 Nanci: Yes I do not like letting people down. I think where I’m coming from is that I never questioned having a workout partner. Someone calls and says spinning at nine, I’m there. That always seems perfectly reasonable to me. It seemed unreasonable to me to hire someone to make sure that I did the things I was supposed to do and I still feel a tiny bit of shame saying that but hey that’s my personality I went out of my comfort zone and paid someone to be my boss and it worked. I think I could still benefit from having an accountability coach on a regular basis I don’t have one now, but I will say 80 percent better. I no longer hide in the weeds and let weeks and months go by without really putting out project after project.
33:23 Julian: I think if you want to summarize it, as I understand accountability I mean it comes down to setting realistic goals. Learning what you can realistically achieve.
33:32 Nanci: And how much time things take.
33:33 Julian: Paying attention to that and then setting those realistic goals and then, of course, you’re holding yourself accountable, or you’re leveraging other people, the community, friends, paid consultants to participate on your accountability. So they hold you accountable and you can either risk somethings that you get a penalty of you pay some fee if you fail to live up to your expectations or you choose a more positive reward yourself when you do achieve goals on step by step basis.
34:02 Nanci: Yes celebrate the small wins that for sure. So easy to get stuck in the weeds when you see how much is still ahead if you’re working on a big project without stopping and looking back and saying everything that you’ve already accomplish to get to where you are. All right, you want to wrap this up. We wrap this up a while ago. The thing is that I don’t know if you guys notice listeners but Meredith lives this little Easter egg at the end of every episode, and I feel like we’ve given her so many to choose from in this episode or maybe just as many Easter eggs as there are podcast and preshow. Where can people find us?
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