I think when you’re freelancing when you start out you have to develop a productive schizophrenia. You have to be the do-er, and the rest is getting the stuff done. You have to be the executor or have executive control and be telling yourself what to do. Then you have to make sure that you are settling yourself with these important goals.
00:26 Nanci: Ah yes, Julian showed up with Montreal bagels in his angry ride to work. Look at this, and I’m referring to it as work already, here we are at our job. The tenth episode, I guess the tenth episode marks the transition from hobby to job.
00:44 Julian: Yes, X marks the spot.
00:47 Nanci: Episode ten of Slashpodcast thanks for being here. We are super excited because we launched. The way that we work was that we recorded several episodes, which turned out to be nine episodes in advance of our launch because we wanted to launch with four episodes. It’s a Tuesday today, and in Thursday we launch with four episodes, and so we have five in the banks. Our current process, which is constantly evolving, is to meet once a week and record two episodes and doing that, which allows us to have episodes in the bank while still allowing us to have vacations and busy weeks that are regular jobs.
01:25 Julian: So we can continue to publish on a schedule.
8 Nanci: Every week, every Wednesday at 7 am is our publishing time. It’s pretty important to us because we have lives and other jobs that we have, I would like to have booked two or three episodes in the bank. So we thought with episode ten, for me, the loosely based concept from Eric Ries’s the lean startup of builds, measure, learn, and then iterate make changes we would review. Our personal experience of launching and starting and recording a podcast seem pretty apropos for episode ten.
02:04 Julian: Cannot wait to do it on episode one hundred.
02:07 Nanci: So before we get into the finer points of what went right and what went wrong. No comment. I’m totally kidding. Julian has this great overview of a little bit of meat on the bone of this concept of build measure and learn.
02:22 Julian: Thanks, Nanci. Yes, I would call it a review process and I look at viewing reviews as one of my foundational habits for staying organized, staying on track. I thought that this is an opportunity to talk a little bit about how I do it and I think it’s useful for any freelancer out there trying to organize and their structure time in the unstructured world of working for yourself. It’s a process that I use to, take stock of where I am at and to ensure that I don’t get fog down in busy work versus important work. Because I think that can happen especially when you’re working on your own, you tend to get drawn into all kinds of a task, and sometimes we use task as a way of hiding and creating a sense of busyness but not everything I was doing is really important.
03:04 Nanci: It’s interesting to me because in listening to our past episodes sort of back to back it’s a recurring theme. It comes up, creating fake problems, hiding, being busy but not shipping, were doing our daily work for our clients but in terms of our creative projects for me anyway there is some hiding and some fonts searching.
03:27 Julian: well yes, because I think when you’re freelancing when you start out you have to develop a productive schizophrenia. You have to be the do-er, and the rest is getting the stuff done. You have to be the executor or have executive control and be telling yourself what to do. Then you have to make sure that you are settling yourself with these important goals. What it is that you’re trying to do, why are you doing it in the first place, was staying true to your purpose but then there is the actual execution of the task that needs to get done, and there’s no one else offset to her, usually in the beginning. So you are always in this balance of setting goals, working towards priority projects, important outcomes, and then they grade you like your writing the blog post, you are fixing the font, you’re rolling up your sleeves and getting into the analytics of whatever it is your looking at. All I have to say, the review process is a nice way of your doing a gut check, and I try to do regularly once a week or once every two weeks where I go through my to-do list. So I’ll back up and say what is a – to do list. For me, to do list has to be a set of actionable item. Actionable items are very specific instructions for the day. If you look at David Allen’s GTD seminar work, you are set up next actions. You may have a project or our project Slashpodcast. Nanci and I are sharing this project – to do list item. That is actionable – to write detailed notes about what you’re going to say on episode ten, the theme being looking back. A non-specific less useful item on a ‘to do list’ would be – prepare for meeting with Nanci. Although they are both true and they are both what I have to do if I follow the first one I can sit down without thinking and get to work. I know what I have to do; I have to write notes about the episode that is coming up because I have to speak about it. If its prepare for the meeting then I have the interceding space there where I have to think, surprisingly it’s rare in a day where you stop and think. When you do, every time you have to stop and think about something in terms of getting an action accomplish you are putting in some friction. You are breaking the flow of your activity and your forcing the brain to switch gears from a creative act to what am I supposed to be doing for preparation. And then stopping and thinking our vulnerability points I think in a productive day because you may end up getting distracted at that point or you may not the mental energy or focus of the time to follow through and on deciding on the right thing and you waste time. An actionable to-do list item is specific and tells you what to do and what I try to do with my day is shell out three to five of those things max. If you cannot fit it on an index card, you are not going to get it done.
06:01 Nanci: For me, it’s a small index card, and I’d like to do one, I’ll start with one thing.
06:06 Julian: You can also start with post-it notes, but I like the idea that physical boundary around that is what a day is right? And I think it all ties into the concept of time and structuring. Your time as a freelancer when you’re on your everything feels like it’s losing, there is a lot of potentialities, but there are finite limits to everything, there is a finite to your energy, there is a finite limit to your focus, and your time. I like to mimic those with physical boundaries.
06:31 Nanci: I just like to jump in and say that the index card has been so powerful for me. Whether I’m creating action points like you said, if I have a blog post that has five paragraphs, I’ll even take a header, like five subheaders on each index card, three bullet points on each. The physical space that looks like tactical and it provides this incredible flow state of what’s coming and what’s next I can physically feel it.
06:57 Julian: I think we should put like a photo of your index card and my ‘to do list.’ We will have like a JPEG that you can go check out on the site, just to see examples.
07:05 Nanci: For sure, absolutely I just wanted to jump in because I want to make it clear that if you don’t have index cards go and get them. They are cheap then come in all different colors and all different sizes and start using them I think it will enhance your process.
07:19 Julian: Or you can just use a piece of paper. Eight and a half by eleven sheet of paper that is what I use and I just sit down with it. The beginning of each week, I have to split it up by two-thirds of the paper is my week and my week is Monday to Friday and the one-third of the paper for unplanned, unexpected a phone call comes in you got an offer to work on a project that you cannot resist. Anything that you’re not in control of, I like to have a space for that because I like to keep it separate from what I planned to do. So my Monday I got my actionable items, Tuesday, Wednesday and all the way through the week and down the right it’s a running list of anything else that comes up. There is the unplanned and the planned.
08:05 Nanci: I think that I just about t jump in and mention this self-journal, but we already have a topic and a focus for this. I think we can probably do a whole episode on day structuring and focus and planning.
08:19 Julian: For me, this was an important part of my development as a freelancer. I don’t know if it’s just the personal anecdote but learning and teaching myself ways to be effective and efficient and productive was a big part of how I felt like I was making a commitment to being a professional. I was not treating my day like an open-ended anything can happen. I use to make things happen.
08:41 Nanci: I completely agree that was a huge shift for me. I cannot remember the authors’ name now, but the book is called Turning Pro. When it comes to me, I’ll throw it in the show notes below. Yes, he wrote, it was all about overcoming resistance and turning pro, and it’s what we’re talking about here is showing up every day being honest with yourself and having a process to hold yourself accountable.
09:00 Julian: I guess the final point before we get into what were supposed to be talking about and it is related is the concept of a brain dump. I talked about this a little bit in my book Gigonomics, but the idea of a brain dump is like a review except it’s even easier in a way and less structured and ill do a brain dump every month at least, if not every two weeks or three weeks if I’m particularly busy or stress. What it is exactly as it sounds. I sit down, and I squeeze out every thought in my head and anything that’s on my mind because everything that you have in your brain takes up some psychic weight. Your brain, I do not take differentiates very well between what’s important and what isn’t. I have to pick up the laundry or take out the garbage, that’s something is on my mind right next to write a chapter in my book which is really important part of what I’m trying to do. When you gather these things up throughout the week if you don’t exhaust them, they sit there, and they just occupy space. They are like squatters, unpaid bills, email that you have not responded to emails your waiting to get responses back on, all of these little things can be broken down into discreet psychic units, and a brain dump for me is a tool for exercising them, so it’s unstructured bullet point list in my head. I take that sheet of paper, and I just stick in the back of my binder where I put all other brain dumps, I date it, and I forget about it. Then I’ll go back to it maybe a month later, or the next time I have a brain dump, and I’ll have a look, and remarkably two-thirds of the items is I can take off they’re done, they’re taking care off. I think there is some benefit of just maybe it is leveraging the subconscious, but there is some way where when you take that mental weight outside your brain and put it onto paper, which is a perfect medium for taking off burdens from your mind. You are freeing up that mental space because once you have created that space in your brain then you can do what you meant to do, you can start to develop creativity can flow, you are removing the blockages.
10:53 Nanci: I do the same thing, but I do it as six o’clock every morning, and I do it for twenty-five minutes worth three full pages whichever comes first. I have been doing it for months and months it’s so rare that I ever skip the day. When I was reading about it, the first idea I heard about it was years ago from Julia Cameron from The Artist’s Way calls it Morning Pages. Tim Ferriss still talks about how that book is next to his bedside table of twenty-five years after it was written but in the book she says if you do it long enough after thirty- sixty days, you will stop writing crap that all the little minutia of your brain, the psychic weight, it will come out and you will start writing this incredible creative paragraphs and ideas for books. I can tell you after seven months that has not happened to me. I continue to write drivel day in and day out, but it works because I’m getting it all out. I write the first kind of paragraph or pages, stuff that is on my mind and then it turns into a list of things that might need to get done. That day I just naturally start planning out my day. Then the third page, it is a little bit more about feeling something that might have happened the day before or something I’m nervous about, and I’ll write about it, and then I close the book, I never go back, and I have never looked.
12:18 Julian: Yes, you don’t need to. I think it’s important that you don’t try to structure or edit that process. When you sit down and plan your day, I think it’s a curation, and you are saying I am choosing to do these three important tasks. You are editing your day by saying I’m planning on these specific things when you’re trying to create mental space. Editing gets in the way because you are adding that kind of a blockage, your tapping into a different part of the brain you know that kind of executive function, and you are no longer stream of consciousness flowing which is what you want to do when your disgorging.
12:49 Nanci: I will say even though I do not go back and read it. If I’m writing two or three days in a row there is a connected process, and I’ll be writing, and I think I have been so negative, I’ve been down on myself for procrastinating or not finishing maybe it could be good to write something positive. So I’d be like okay, what are three positive things that I have accomplished this week? Even though I’m not editing, it’s been hugely useful for me to recognize the patterns in my brain and maybe takes some steps to change something. We have gone so far off topic, but I think it’s valuable. I think it’s worth the detour.
13:22 Julian: It is all related because now we are doing this for our current projects Slashpodcast and were looking back.
13:30 Nanci: Yes, welcome to our brain dump.
13:32 Julian: We have done our brain dump. All right, Nanci, I am tired of hearing myself talked lay it on me. How have we done? What do you think?
13:44 Nanci: I think overall, I mean it has been fantastic. I think these creative projects; you have an idea it’s a little bit like having a kid. You have an idea of what it’s going to be like, and it is completely different, and in some ways, there are things that you didn’t anticipate, and I mean I’m speaking the obvious here, but there is far more sort of depth to it. I thought we would record a podcast, then will see what happens. But it’s been multilayered in terms of every time we have been talking about, which is productivity, sense of accomplishment, finding the time to be tongue and cheek about one of your previous episodes I wish we started earlier although that said we meet fifteen years, well we meet fifteen years ago so. Our first lunch was a year and a half ago, so a year and a half later we launch on Tuesday.
14:31 Julian: Yes, that is when the idea hatched. Although we didn’t discuss a podcast or anything,
14:37 Nanci: I think the word podcast may have dropped from the air because I remember thinking about it and Julian probably thinks that some sort of happy coincidence that we are working together on this project. I have to say, and I met Julian fifteen years ago at a party. I remember I was pregnant with my first child and I thought to myself, I’m going to work with that guy one day. I stalk him for fifteen years, but anyone that tries to live in the norms of society knows that a married woman cannot call a married man and say, “hey, let’s hang out.” That is just weird. It took me awhile to find a way, but yes so anyway just to say.
15:14 Julian: Actually, I was the one to do that. I was working on a contract looking for Montreal entrepreneurs, freelancers, people who work independently, I was writing blog posts for a company, and I wanted to interview. I remember that all started.
15:29 Nanci: You put an open call on LinkedIn.
15:31 Julian: And I found you because I saw that you had written an article for Huffington Post.
15:35 Nanci: You are too kind. I replied to your open call and said: “Hi Julian, I don’t know if you remember me, I’d like to meet for lunch.” In all seriousness, Julian is an incredible creative partner. I find him as smart, kind, funny, which is a very rare trifecta I would be happy to work on any collaboration with Julian, and I cannot stress how great it is that we are doing a podcast.
16:02 Julian: I think that is one of our first points. I share the same hashtag grateful, I know it’s a bit cheesy but when I look back one of the first things I have to say is I’m happy to have Nanci as a partner, Particularly because Nanci does most of the heavy lifting. She builds the site, now and then I get an email from Nanci saying I have to do some small little thing because she’s taking care of ninety percent of everything else. And I take like a week to get back to her and then I do it not properly and have to redo it and then she makes it better, and it gets done.
16:31 Nanci: None of that is true but.
16:36 Julian: I know that having a partner and being able to bounce ideas to somebody is an important part of if you have read that book that we have mentioned on the resources page by Steven Johnson: Where good ideas come from is what it’s called. One of the keys, ways have ideas to have I think it discusses the adjacent possible and the idea of creative coalitions and I think when you work in space, when you look at these movies, like working at Google or working in this creative start-ups. You know it is an open concept, people are walking around, they are bumping into each other in the hallways, and during those little interactions, ideas get a spark. Some of those sparks turn into like major projects. That is, I think one of the real wholes that I was feeling in my life, working too independently. I think that is one dangerous spot or one vulnerability for a freelancer. When you work alone and the nature of your work is solitary, or you sit down, and you produce content, or you are working on your projects independently, and then you go out now and then and meet your clients, you lose that opportunity tokind of have these creative coalitions. And that I know that having sort of build up my career independently that was the biggest part of what I felt was missing like my next step, my evolution as a freelancer necessitated finding a partner and then Nanci was the right partner, and I think you know there is serendipity, waiting in the wings. What I mean, is it enables me to be more creative. It’s giving me much more focus. It helps me write a book, it is giving me a platform, and I think we have developed a space for ourselves where we can indulge our passion and talk about creative culture, digital culture, being a freelancer and I wouldn’t have been able to do the loan. It would not have been anywhere near as good.
18:21 Nanci: I Would not have been able to do it alone because I would not have that this sheer level accountability and it’s not that your this sort of task driver but I like you, and I respect you, and I don’t want to disappoint you. If we have a meeting, I want to show up to the meeting prepared and I want to do my best work because we are both doing our best work.
18:43 Julian: Accountability, we have to talk about that in another episode.
18:46 Nanci: Yes, accountability transformed not just my business but my self-esteem, confidence, and levels of success. So just, keep moving on, I wish we started earlier, but I do not have any regrets. I think it took us a long time to make space in our life because one of the things it takes more time than I thought. We are both trying to structure our other daily activities to find the time to meet. We both have busy schedules, and then there is the recording we had to do all the stuff. I am trying to say we needed the time to wrap our heads around that we are podcasters and we have a weekly podcast, and in hindsight, it didn’t take that long.
19:27 Julian: It’s funny, it ties back into our conversation we had before we turned the mics on about the commits and then figure it out and I was telling Nanci the story about Mick Ebeling and his notimpossiblenow.org Foundation, go check it out. Great guy Mick, I have a great fortune to meet him and hear him speak a couple of times through some imedia conferences and would not digress him too far. I don’t know if he coined the phrase, but he certainly illustrated the phrase with describing some of the projects he was involved. One of them was Project Daniel where Mick decided he was going to teach a victim of the bombing who had his arms blown off in the Sudan, prints arms for him digital printer and 3D print arms for him. Then teach him and his village how to do it, provide prosthetic cheaply for other villagers who suffered the same gruesome misfortune. But we are talking about commit and figure it out, maybe a less philanthropic focus. We decided we are going to do this first and then we figured out how to make it happen.
20:36 Nanci: Yes and the step by step, there is so much available online we did not have to hire a podcast consultant. I mean even just a quick search on google we learn that the intersection between the quality and value in terms of microphones maybe we will just talk about our tools quickly. We both use a blue yeti microphone they are under 200 dollars. They are USB microphones, and they plug right into our MacBook. We don’t have any particular sound equipment other that the computer and the mic. One of the things I’m glad that we decided to do was we do have a professional audio editor. I think when you are doing some creative endeavor; you should have the best that you can afford. When it comes to the quality, and I do not think that either one of us learning how to edit, purchasing this software, I don’t think that was realistic. We have an excellent audio editor formerly from the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC), Meredith from MediaMercantile.com is our podcast editor, also our graphic designer. Meredith charges us a 100 dollars an episode and that along with our podcast hosting, which is 12 dollars a month is our greatest ongoing expenses. That was our start-up cost and you know one of our episodes we talked about Minimum Viable Product and so a big expense for us is 500 dollars, which is super crazy, but it were a website and did we need a website to launch a podcast? No, we did not need a website. We could have run all our podcast through iTunes or Simplecast hosting for the 12 dollars a month. I didn’t even tell you this Julian, it comes with a website but I’m a web developer, and I couldn’t imagine having a project that didn’t have a supporting website, and I got to tell you I love the website.
22:47 Julian: Yes I know, I am totally happy that. I think that it’s completely justifiable expense. One of the questions people always ask when you do anything that’s not directly related to getting a job is “How do you monetize that?” or “Are you going to make money?” and I’m using my silly voice not because there is anything wrong with it, it’s important. I’m not making a point of your husband, Nanci. He did not even say it to somebody else anyway. You know monetization strategies that is an important part of developing any business because, without it, you don’t have a business.
23:20 Nanci: Don’t we have an episode called you have to sell something? At some point, we were going to have to listen to our episodes, Julian.
23:26 Julian: But you don’t have to immediately jump into the idea of “I have to make money off this right away” especially if it’s content creation project like this. Because there is a lot potential spin-offs from doing a podcast, I’m sure we will discover and I look forward to the many speaking engagements and books we are going to produce and becoming a hub for freelancers around the world.
23:49 Nanci: We are still going to get a radio show on, and some are serious
23:51 Julian: So the monetization can follow, but a website is an excellent place that keeps everything together and ties into my slightly maybe shade of OCD need to have space for an order.
24:04 Nanci: I think it works. It’s our Slashpodcast bucket. We have our episodes there, we have bios there, we have our resources page, our favorite books, links, tools that we use and we already started to make a tiny little bit of money. A Little bit of affiliate commissions and we launched four days ago.
24:21 Julian: If you’re listening out there, maybe now is a good time to plug, the request for or maybe even read our first iTunes review?
24:27 Nanci: Well ill told you that I was going to read our top iTunes review. May or may not be our only iTunes review. One of the things point number 4-b/a, we didn’t ask for iTunes reviews like we recorded nine episodes and I think maybe once by accident we might have to ask for an iTunes review because iTunes review is really important for podcasters. So if you’re listening to this head down over to Slashpodcast.com/review and it will take you directly to the iTunes page, and we would love a review, we would love a five-star review but if you want to give a three star or two stars and just give us some feedback. We want to hear this; we do not want to operate in a vacuum. We want you as a collaborator.
25:20 Julian: I think that is a good point. When you are starting out because I think it is smart the way we began. Starting with some of the episodes in the bank. It builds us a little cushion of time, so we are not running down the clock and trying to meet that deadlines which maybe eventually we will or might be useful to put a pressure, but I like you do. You know having some episodes that are already recorded, but I think we forgot to time shift back and pretended like we were doing it in real time so that we treated them like real time episodes.
25:50 Nanci: The other thing is, the podcast editor continues to tell me to stop interrupting Julian. The price is going up if you don’t stop interrupting Julian. This is the first episode, episode ten where I feel like there is people listening. Because in the last 72 hours two hundred people listened according to our Simplecast statistics we have downloads of listens we have to figure out the difference Canada, US, Japan, and Germany now Julian’s wife is German, half-German so I’m not sure that maybe some family listens there. Yes, I feel good about this episodes, I feel more relaxed than the first nine. I feel like we have friends. I can tell you who loves us; it is John Lim, so thank you, John. I’m just going to read this to you, our top iTunes view of the week, “I’ve known Nanci for years and had her as a guest on my podcast a few years ago. Nanci is one of the best resources out there for knowing the ins and outs of the Gig Economy. She has done it all, both as a freelancer as an entrepreneur. I am so thrilled that she is sharing this knowledge and wisdom on a podcast and with a great name. Nanci and Julian have a great on-air chemistry, very personable. You feel like they are just having a conversation with you at a coffee shop, I’m hooked. If you’re thinking of starting a side gig or just tired of the corporate rat race, this one is a must listen. Kudos and congrats Nanci and Julian – John Lim host of the fabulous moving forward podcast.” I read that, I felt great, and my first thought was that is exactly what I wanted. That was.
27:54 Julian: A great flash of review from somebody, that’s what I wanted to.
27:58 Nanci: He took the time to use the words that I wanted to hear and then my second thought was well his a friend and so, of course, his gong to get me a nice review and then I said no. His also a top podcaster, a well-known podcaster his not going to ruin his reputation giving a review that doesn’t deserve it.
28:16 Julian: He is also a fellow Giger. He is in the gig economy. He gets it.
28:20 Nanci: And so I am going to accept the review and say thank you, John. We appreciate you, and I feel great that that is our only review.
28:30 Julian: We look forward to having you on the show.
28:32 Nanci: We do, and now that could be a good time to say very soon were going to start bringing on a guest. I do not know what exactly what the format will look like if every show has a guest. I think definitely, there are a lot of incredible slashers out there that could come on this podcast and add real value.
28:48 Julian: And we would love to hear from you. If you are out there, and you want to talk about your project, doesn’t matter what stage you’re at in your development. If you’re just thinking about it, you’re already Googling if you have got your whole enterprise already set up it will be great to sit down and just have a conversation about the issues you are dealing with.
29:04 Nanci: Absolutely Slashpodcast.com, Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn we are on those three social networks. Throughout the nine podcast that we recorded, sometimes it was a hit and miss in terms of having an outline ready. We never showed up and said hey what are we going to talk about today. We always knew in advance that we had some loss bullet points, but there were couple episodes were we put the time in for like an outline. Looking back and the point is that I feel those episodes were the strongest and I think they are strongest because I had my facts straight. I knew if I was going to give a quote I knew the author’s name and the quotes name, it was not like ah this person said this thing and then the episodes were it didn’t have that outline there was a little bit of that. I found I was more relax there was fewer umms and ahhs because I knew what I was saying; it was right in front of me. I didn’t have to keep everything in my head you’re talking about this information that takes up this psychics space I didn’t have to worry about if I was going to miss something because it was already in front of me and I felt prepared.
30:09 Julian: The difference between a first drop and a polish second draft when you have taken the time to prepare an outline however crudely, it starts the channel of the thinking towards whatever were going to speak about something when we speak about it, you are already one step ahead.
30:23 Nanci: It is super logical, it makes perfect sense, and yet I don’t always do it. And I think that especially for a creative project I think I’m nervous about putting my work out there, about putting myself out there. If I’m writing an outline and preparing, I’m feeling the fear, and it’s uncomfortable, and it’s easier just to kept looking for fonts for a new website, and then I find myself in the live situation or the recorded situation and guess what? I’m not prepared, and I think never again, next time I’m going to be ready. So, just in terms of this whole podcast ten episodes as like a microcosmic experiment, I can see exactly where I was prepared, felt a lot better with my performance versus I don’t think the episodes were bad I just believe that they were stronger. I’m going to do a more first draft for the blog post. I’m going to do more prep when I speak, doing more public speaking, real preps. Also sometimes I feel silly rehearsing over and over again a speech or even when what I’m doing here in this podcast is if I just have a story I might just say it out loud first. I feel silly doing that it makes me uncomfortable.
31:34 Julian: I’ll tell you something, one thing I love to do. It started to that point; it is when I have written a piece I used this spoken word function on Mac. They highlight the text, and I play around with the voices like I kind of like the robot voice, but you can use whichever one you like. I read back my work to mirror, or I have the computer read back what I have written, and I find it very helpful because its, you can start to hear even though it is actually just a robot speaking, you can hear the cadences and the flow of the piece. Immediately sort of spot areas that are like ‘Oh that’s awkward’ or I need to rework that, and it’s almost like practicing, a cheating way of practicing.
32:13 Nanci: Whatever works! Wow.
32:15 Julian: Yes it’s a trick. I think when you write something and especially in this format of a podcast. There is a difference between a written text and spoken text. Obviously, we all know that. We tend to speak more fluidly; we throw in a lot of this little sounds, the umms, the likes, etcetera. Meredith does a good job of editing out but none the less, the real difference in how you speak versus how you write. We pay more attention when we write, and it’s fun to hear a written thing spoken. Because when you hear it, I find it easier almost to remember the phrasing and the words and then when I can speak, I think I’m speaking with, or I try to be anyway, I try to speak with more of the structure that you put into writing versus just a conversation.
32:56 Nanci: On that note, how writing is different than speaking? The show notes are a mask. The show notes for the episodes by the time you listen to this. We will have come back and fix them, but at some point, you have to launch, you have to shift. Minimum Viable Product, so the website was ready, the iTunes was ready we had probably thousands of words of transcribing show notes. They went through like a dragon dictate the type of software, and then my VA in the Philippines edited them but you know you look at them and going to is gonna, want to is wanna, and there’s umms and ahhs and sos. Which is just to say at some point we had to launch and I felt like no we cannot launch because we have to go and edit the show notes so that their perfect was an excuse.
33:51 Julian: That’s the standard corporate poor motivational post for the perfect is the enemy of the good.
33:58 Nanci: Yes, I think it was Zuckerberg. Oh my god, we did this is the other podcast.
34:04 Julian: Perfect is the enemy of good.
34:07 Nanci: Done is better than perfect. Good is the enemy of great. There is two we are mixing it up is our problem. Good is the enemy of great.
34:16 Julian: Do not try to be perfect. Good enough is good enough.
34:22 Nanci: If you have a quote you are going to use, prepare in advance.
34:26 Julian: We are accepting quotes submissions. Just send us any quotes.
34:30 Nanci: We’re accepting a lot of things right now. I am happy with this episode. What are we doing next week? First, we have to figure out; we have talked about the structure at the beginning. One of the things that Julian brought up at episode at four, five and six and I didn’t have an answer, so we stop bringing it up was ‘do we have to introduce ourselves every time and how do we introduce ourselves every time? And so I wanted to tell you I’m doing it in real time. Here we are. I was listening to some podcast, and I see what people do. They do have a formal intro like I’m Nanci and I’m Julian, and it’s given to Meredith, and she feeds it in with the music. We will do that for next time. For episode eleven, we will not have to say Hi I’m Nanci, Hi I’m Julian.
35:11 Julian: I have never said Hi I’m Nanci but
35:15 Nanci: I say Hi I’m Julian a lot.
35:17 Julian: We are going to record intros this is on the structuring your podcast.
35:22 Nanci: It may be even just one of us. I don’t even think it needs to be both of us just has to be a little intro about Julian and Nanci and the gig economy and join us for the tools and obviously, I haven’t prepared for it yet, and then we have to check at the end. What do we do at the end? Where can you find us? We need to show people where they can find us, which is Slashpodcast.com. We need to tell them what we want them to do which is leave us an iTunes review. Please go to Slashpodcast.com\review it will take you straight to our iTunes page, and we want you to come back next week. We would like to entice you to come back next week for the subject matter, which we do not know yet so by the time we record episode eleven this is our last warm up episode Julian. For podcast eleven we are going to have, our recorded intro and we are going to have a structure at the end.
36:12 Julian: We could talk about, just cause you gave me some ideas while you were talking. Our next episode could be about overcoming that fear of putting yourself out there.
36:26 Nanci: I think we can talk about that as a five-part series. So yes let us do that next week.
36:30 Julian: Getting over yourself, we need to speak about the actual things that people go through that, the nerves, the fear, the vulnerability you know when you expose yourself. You can mention that Tim Ferriss you told me one time, which we will save for next week.
36:46 Nanci: The reason I do not want to do that podcast episode is that I’m nervous and vulnerable about talking so yes, let’s do it. Julian thank you so much for starting this podcast with me. I completely underestimated the time and the money, it was not that much, but it was more than I thought it would be, but by far, I have absolutely underestimated how much I would enjoy it. I have an incredible sense of accomplishment, and I love working. See you next week.